顽主和玩主
<p>有什么区别么</p> <p><strong>顽主儿 就是 小混混</strong></p><p><strong>玩主 我觉得吧```就是从小玩到大````</strong></p> 不懂…… 不知道,应该没区别吧 顽主是街边的小混混，也就是所谓的流氓的代名词，北京较玩闹，玩主是对某一项有所研究的称呼。本周五、六、日蟠桃宫庙会民俗活动
<p>顽主按现在说就是地痞小玩闹，玩主应加儿话音，叫玩儿主，</p><p>意思是指有某种休闲嗜好的人，或有手好闲的人。</p> 同意楼上的解释 <p>转自"北京顽主吧"</p><p>关于"玩主"和"顽主"大体上有两种说法:</p><p><strong>1,二者其实是一回事儿(见"<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">文革时期北京流行的江湖黑话")</span></strong></p><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">“</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">顽主</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">”</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">我觉得正确的字应该是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">“</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">玩主</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">”<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">当时碴架的互相通话可见一斑：“在哪儿玩的？”</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">但读音确应读作</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">“</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">顽</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">”</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">。也许王朔用</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">“</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">顽主</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">”</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">作书名也是从读音上来考虑的吧。顽主是指那些游手好闲，到了工作年龄还没有正当职业，但又不愁没钱的黑道上有头有脸的人物，好歹也在某一片有点名气的主。他们也不能天天去打架，也得有点消磨时间的爱好。养鱼，养鸽子在这帮人里比较普遍。说：</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">“那</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">哥们儿是顽主！</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">”</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">那一般就得小心一点了。顽主有点帮派老大的意思。</span></span></p><p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><strong>2,二者时期不同</strong></span></span></p><p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">66</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">年以前凡没有正当职业的青年被称为“无业游民”，而那些比较淘气的人（包括打架、偷、抢、流浪者）均称为流氓。把外地来京没有正当职业者称为“盲流”。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;"><br/> <br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">从</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">66</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">年文革开始至</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">67</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">年中旬所谓的“流氓”遭到红卫兵毁灭性的打击，几乎消声灭迹。一九六七年秋，在北京</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">被红卫兵生生的逼打出了一支反抗力量。他们分布在北京的小胡同儿里，专门袭击红卫兵。经过一年左右的互殴群斗，成功地建立起对红卫兵的心理威慑。使红卫兵开始对一些反抗力量的领袖人物谈虎色变，恨之入骨。当年反抗力量比较著名的“领袖”人物有；周</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">X</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">利（小混蛋）、边亚军等人。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;"><br/> <br/></span><chsdate isrocdate="False" islunardate="False" day="24" month="6" year="1968" wst="on"></chsdate><chsdate></chsdate><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">一九六八年六月二十四日</span><chsdate></chsdate><chsdate></chsdate><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">，在红卫兵的追剿下，周</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">X</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">利（小混蛋）在动物园附近遇刺身亡。为了对红卫兵进行报复，一时间北京的菜刀被抢购一空，凭副食本供应，使得大队红卫兵视小胡同儿为畏途。</span></span></p><p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">一九六八年应该是个分水岭，毛泽东利用红卫兵打倒了政敌，他的历史使命已经宣告完结，<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">随着红卫兵的解散，一个新的名词：“顽主”在北京诞生了。他们同以前的“玩儿主”有着本质的不同。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><br/> <br/></font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">以前的“玩儿主”多出于自身对某种艺术、运动、植物、动物的喜好和偏爱而称之为“玩儿”。而</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"> 1968 </font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">年以后诞生的“顽主”，顾名词意即；“顽皮的人”。在他们中间有当年的红卫兵和反对力量，有文革以前的流氓、地痞，佛爷（小偷），互相混杂，参差不齐，统称：“顽主”。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><br/> <br/></font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">他们没有纲领和目的，互相争斗只是争强好胜。他们不能很好的遵守社会秩序，“无政府主义”严重。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><br/> <br/></font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">“顽主”大都散居在胡同儿里，也有居住在政府机关宿舍和军队大院内的干部子弟，称为“院派”。</span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">到底哪种说法是对的,我也不知道.不过我认为,研究六七十年代的北京城,顽主文化是不可忽视的一部分.</span></p><p><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/></p></span><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">随着红卫兵的解散，一个新的名词：“顽主”在北京诞生了。他们同以前的“玩儿主”有着本质的不同。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><br/> <br/></font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">以前的“玩儿主”多出于自身对某种艺术、运动、植物、动物的喜好和偏爱而称之为“玩儿”。而</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"> 1968 </font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">年以后诞生的“顽主”，顾名词意即；“顽皮的人”。在他们中间有当年的红卫兵和反对力量，有文革以前的流氓、地痞，佛爷（小偷），互相混杂，参差不齐，统称：“顽主”。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><br/> <br/></font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">他们没有纲领和目的，互相争斗只是争强好胜。他们不能很好的遵守社会秩序，“无政府主义”严重。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><br/> <br/></font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">“顽主”大都散居在胡同儿里，也有居住在政府机关宿舍和军队大院内的干部子弟，称为“院派”。</span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">到底哪种说法是对的,我也不知道.不过我认为,研究六七十年代的北京城,顽主文化是不可忽视的一部分.</span></p><p><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/></p><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/><p></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/></p><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/><p></p><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"></p><p></p>[此贴子已经被作者于2007-1-30 14:56:34编辑过] <div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>西雅图的北京爷们</i>在2006-10-6 13:14:03的发言：</b><br/>“顽主”是北京话。但正宗的北京话里没有“玩主”这么个词。后者是前者的误写，白字。</div><p>我也是这么理解的。</p><p></p><p>楼上朋友的是转自顽主吧也看过了。</p><p></p><p>相关推荐书籍《顽主》 《血色青春》 推荐歌曲《我是顽主》《混子》</p> <p>好象一般都是顽主</p><p>还有.这电影不错~</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 168pt; mso-char-indent-count: 16.0;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">玩儿主儿</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">其实以上的说法都有些牵强，所谓</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">玩儿主儿</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">是老北京话，指好玩儿的人，如同称练武术的人为</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">练家子</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”“</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">练儿</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”“</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">练主儿</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">一个意思。北京人八旗子弟多，、闲人多、好玩儿的自然也多，又有有钱人培养这个市场，由此形成了一个社会群体，这个群体叫</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">玩儿主儿</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">解放后的所谓的</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">流氓</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">们由于都好玩、又好练、又讲义气，为了区别于不讲义气的真流氓都自称是</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">玩儿主儿</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">文革中，由老红卫兵（老兵儿）转化而成的流氓基本都是“大院派”，为了区别于胡同的、或者叫做老北京的“玩儿主儿”，口语称呼上显得现代一点儿、就去掉了儿化音，自称为“玩主”。有些炫耀的意思；我是流氓。但是这代人讲义气、有学问、有能力、有志向，是因为“文革”造成的心态变化以此宣泄而已，一旦社会正常他们就会大有作为，现在一些出类拔萃的人物不乏这一批人。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">顽主的作者不是北京人，不懂这些，充其量是个解放后进京的“大院派”，不懂老北京文化，他六十年代刚懂事儿，所接触或经历的都是真“老兵儿”当兵或上山下乡后，后玩儿起来的那帮小半大儿的小玩儿闹。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">所谓“顽主”只不过是他杜撰而已。老北京原来没有这个词。</span></p>
[此贴子已经被作者于2007-2-12 0:53:24编辑过] <p>哎哟，至于吗，不久俩字不一样吗。</p><p>知道什么意思不久得了吗。</p><p></p> <div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>孟三</i>在2007-2-12 0:48:59的发言：</b><br/><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 168pt; mso-char-indent-count: 16.0;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">玩儿主儿</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">顽主的作者不是北京人，不懂这些，充其量是个解放后进京的“大院派”，不懂老北京文化，他六十年代刚懂事儿，所接触或经历的都是真“老兵儿”当兵或上山下乡后，后玩儿起来的那帮小半大儿的小玩儿闹。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">所谓“顽主”只不过是他杜撰而已。老北京原来没有这个词。</span></p><br/></div><p></p><p>赞同!</p><p>北京话的变化也反映了北京地区居住民的变迁，1949年CP进城, 以及之后的诸多运动,使北京话发生了很大变化，在民国之前的老北京，是非常讲究"敬语"的，傻X, 你丫,你妈X, 这些更多的属于文革时期词汇.</p><p>一家之言,仅供参考，我挺想对北京话的历史变迁做些研究，只苦于才疏学浅.</p>
[此贴子已经被作者于2007-5-22 23:09:59编辑过] <p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: zh-cn; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;">一九六八年六月二十四日</span><chsdate></chsdate><chsdate></chsdate><chsdate></chsdate><chsdate></chsdate><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: zh-cn; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;">，在红卫兵的追剿下，周</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">X</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: zh-cn; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;">利（小混蛋）在动物园附近遇刺身亡。</span></p><p><em><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: zh-cn; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;">写这事儿的有本儿书。《天罡》《天正》《天绝》好像是四本儿，我就能象想起来仨名</span>了</em></p> <font size="5">北京以前根本就没有顽主这个词。这是有人看来王朔他们写的什么《顽主》《血色黄昏》什么的书，才说的顽主这个词。我也看了这些书，写的基本差不多，只是有的细节有误。北京以前都说“玩儿主”。比如：（不说老北京玩儿鹰的，玩儿蛐蛐的，玩儿古玩的，只说所谓的“流氓”）两个陌生人遇见，互相打量。斜着眼看对方，先看脑袋，再看脚，然后再看脑袋，这个名词叫“犯照”。有一方问：“哥们儿你在哪玩儿？”没有这么说的：“哥们你在哪顽？”要是这样问，就把对方的大牙笑掉了。因为玩儿，才有的玩儿主。我觉得写这种书的人可能是高干子弟，他们的父母进北京的时间不长，所以他们的口音还一时半会儿改不过来，说“玩儿”不习惯带儿化音，就读成“顽”了。有人还把年龄大的玩儿主翻译成”老泡“，其实是“老炮儿”。小混蛋儿我见过，边亚军我不知道。老百姓子弟叫他小混蛋儿。可能高干子弟叫他小混蛋。</font> <p class="t">一点小小的看法</p><span class="b">顽主是后来写书的人自己总结的 <br/>在过去 北京人好像没有人说话这么生硬的 玩儿主 练家子 小三儿 明儿嘛去呀 就是儿化音特浓 <p></p><p>还有几楼的忘了 说的书是天伤、天忌、天绝、天罡 写陈成和边亚军的 都是故事没有事实依据 不过话又说回来了 故事来源于生活嘛！！</p></span> <p>顽主是王朔写书的时候怕人把玩主（不带儿话音的）和玩儿主区分开的，顽主是绝对不带儿话音的</p> 也就是小混混，文革初期的 <p>有名·</p>
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